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* Every election around this time we get flooded with first-time commenters who just want to leave drive-bys and whine about the rules. From last night…
posted by Rich Miller
Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 6:19 am
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I’ve seen plenty of posts that were critical of the governor. What an odd thing to say.
Comment by Da Big Bad Wolf Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 7:02 am
As a Conservative-Independant, I don’t agree with many of the opinions expressed here. But, this site is owned by Rich. It is his sole discretion what is deleted amd what is posted. I support that completely. There,is no better site for news or insight on Illinois Politics. You don’t have to agree with Rich. You do, on his site have to abide by his rules. If that upsets you, start your own site and compete with him, see how that goes. If you want to be the man, you have to beat the man.
Comment by SOIL M Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 8:11 am
This site isn’t censored, it’s moderated and we’re all thankful for that. And all of us have felt the effects of moderation at one time or another. I respect Rich’s decisions in doing that even when I post something that doesn’t go through. It’s what keeps this site from devolving into Facebook. And if you just want somewhere to rant or validate your opinions there’s plenty of alternatives out there.
Comment by Pundent Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 8:29 am
Ask not what you can do for Capitol Fax JFK
Comment by Lucky Pierre Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 8:29 am
Rich’s blog, Rich’s rules. And this from someone whose Ph.D. length posts about IPI (and related) proposals to convert public employee pensions to 401(k)s (Georgia & Utah considered it in 2008 & found it wouldn’t work) routinely don’t appear.
Comment by Anyone Remember Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 8:30 am
Heh
Comment by Glengarry Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 8:40 am
Anyone — Nobody with any sense thinks it would be a good idea to convert public employee pensions to 401(k)s. Harrumph
Comment by Soccermom Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 8:42 am
The benefits of this site have to do with evidence, cites, and inside- informed arguments by the best here. Untethered political opinions are a dime a dozen.
Comment by walker Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 8:44 am
I thought Rich was at the Congressional hearings yesterday with Zuckerberg and Dorsey?
Comment by Mr. Hand Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 9:01 am
My drive-by opinion is if you don’t like it lump it.
Comment by Drake Mallard Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 9:03 am
People that love to spout off about public policy without any knowledge of the facts they are talking about usually complain about Rich. So in the words Oscar’s owner, Bite Him.
Comment by Give Me A Break Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 9:07 am
Soccermom - “Nobody with any sense … .” Well, that would exclude the organization on the southeast corner of 2nd & Lawrence in Springfield … /s
Comment by Anyone Remember Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 9:18 am
==This site isn’t censored, it’s moderated and we’re all thankful for that.==
Exactly, which is why the comments here aren’t the usual echo chamber and/or toxic waste dump that most comments sections are anymore.
Thanks Rich for all of the time and effort you put into moderating (banned punctuation)
Comment by Monadnock Pigeon Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 9:19 am
Not true that negative comments on Gov. J.B. don’t show up.
This is a nice community to express your opinions or add facts to a discussion. I know some of my notes don’t make the page. On reflection it is often a good bit of editing that keeps them from public view.
Yes, Cap Fax is a great place to get information on Illinois politics, but even if you don’t care for some of the views of some of the folks who express opinions you can still come back for the music and Oscar pictures.
I think we can all agree Rick does pick some good tunes.
Comment by Back to the Future Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 9:23 am
The website “Media Bias/Fact Check” rates Capitol Fax “Least Biased”….These sources have minimal biases and use very few loaded words…”. If the comments seem to some to be more ‘liberal’ than not, then Maybe liberals find the site more comfortable to their biases (everyone has them) and welcoming to their thoughts. If conservatives find it otherwise, their decision not to comment doesn’t affect their desire to read/learn. My guess is that readership is 60% liberal/40% conservative. Since Rich has abandoned “Bite Me”, his standing regarding “loaded words” has further secured the “least biased’ rating.
Comment by Sayitaintso Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 9:42 am
Love the thoughts expressed by those here. Also appreciate that Rich monitors.You can express opinions but they have to be based in fact and respect for others. Thanks
Comment by illinifan Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 9:43 am
Yes, this site is cruelly censored. Oscar’s posts never make it through, and there aren’t anywhere near enough pictures of him.
Comment by Keyrock Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 9:48 am
This blog is great for everything you need to know about Illinois politics. Unfortunately, like most blogs, there are a couple bullies around here that need to be the center of attention and are always right.
(sigh)
Comment by Birds on the Bat Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 10:08 am
Now there is executive/legal action taken against social media companies by certain interests, like when tweets are flagged or disinformation is deleted. Like this blog those are privately owned businesses who can establish rules.
Like Rich says, if we don’t like the rules we can get our own blogs/sites and say what we want.
Comment by Grandson of Man Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 10:09 am
No but you are heavily biased towards democrats and liberal causes more generally. To say you’re not would be lying to yourself and your audience. I got so sick of your bias I generally read Illinois Politico instead, all the news I need and doesn’t take so many days off every year. Strive to be more objective and non partisan.
Comment by 2nd Ward Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 10:27 am
– This site is cruelly censored –
The EPDAA agrees.
Comment by Exclamation Point Defense Association of America Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 10:33 am
“I got so sick of your bias”
Yet, you came here to complain about said bias.
Comment by Flyin' Elvis'-Utah Chapter Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 10:34 am
Couple of these comments prove what I’ve long known.
Conservatives are the biggest snowflakes of all.
Comment by Flyin' Elvis'-Utah Chapter Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 10:35 am
I would venture to guess that all of the regular posters have probably had comments deleted at some point. Such is life. Why does it seem that the biggest whiners seem to come from one party? It’s probably because of the religious watching of a certain network that claims victimhood for any and all transgressions. Grow up.
Comment by Steve Rogers Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 10:36 am
EPDAA wins the day.
I’ve never quite isolated the specific cause, but browser add-on gremlins seem to create issues with the site. So what is seen as ‘censored’ may just be some bad code in your browser but everybody is a victim (and TBC, Rich has even looked into this for me and the posts don’t register).
Comment by ArchPundit Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 10:39 am
Oh horrors…two comments? Come on JFK, many of us don’t agree on everything, or with what Rich opines. But we do respect each other and that makes for more thoughtful discourse here.
Like Rich said, if you want to throw fire bombs, go elsewhere. If you want to engage in thoughtful conversation and debate, start doing so regularly.
Comment by From the far, far western suburbs Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 10:41 am
– This site is cruelly censored –
–The EPDAA agrees.–
As does the DMFSC
Comment by Defense of Maskless Freedom to Shout at Clouds Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 10:43 am
I will acknowledge that I have apparently been shadow-banned for a couple years, but I still have no clue what post caused it to happen (not a big loss, as I never was a prolific commenter).
That said, it’s Rich’s blog, so I don’t complain (in fact, this might be the first time I’ve even made a comment to this effect, partially on the off chance Rich decides to bless me with the knowledge of what I did wrong back in the day). As many commenters note, if I really want to see my own comments, I can make my own blog.
Comment by Chambananon Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 10:44 am
When your opinion is nothing more than “Pritzker bad. Rawr.” how much is it worth?
When the opinion comes from someone who thinks the deaths of almost a quarter million Americans is a “hoax” the answer is nothing. Not a thing.
Comment by Ron Burgundy Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 10:44 am
Anyone who has moderated a website or blog knows that quite a bit of the “censorship” is done on autopilot by banning certain, usually obscene or derogatory, words and phrases. Automatic filtering comments on that basis is mostly politically neutral.
And we’ve all been caught by those filters; they don’t play favorites. From personal experience, I know Rich does look at the comments that get trapped and occasionally passes some through even if they used one of the bad words … it seems to depend on the context the word is used.
I have to agree the blog leans left, but that is the case for the State, so it is to be expected. Not necessarily a bias as much as a reflection of the community. And the community here is made up of a lot of political wonks. If I had to rate it, the tilt is probably more like 65/35 or 70/30.
But it is still the best place to discuss Illinois politics, or to try to reach the political movers and shakers. They may just be lurkers, but they all read it to get a feel of how the involved electorate is leaning.
Comment by RNUG Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 10:46 am
I think part of the spin issue is that we focus on deaths, primarily. In terms of the ISHA issue, surely that is important. But suspend that debate for a moment, and focus on illnesses, doctors costs and hospitalizations.
What school district could afford to pay event those bills, should 10 or 20 students and a few parents and siblings become ill because of a contagion event?
The potential costs (at the local organization-level) surely outweigh the benefits, especially in the absence of risk-sharing (insurance coverage).
And then there are the potential deaths, and long term effects on the heart, lungs, etc.
Comment by H-W Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 10:54 am
=== I generally read Illinois Politico instead===
That explains some things.
Comment by Rich Miller Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 10:57 am
This is a privately owned website and the first amendment doesn’t cover website comments. So, deal with the bias or go somewhere else.
Comment by Token Conservative Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 11:04 am
“I got so sick of your bias I generally read Illinois Politico instead, all the news I need…”
You might want to double-check that…
– MrJM
Comment by @misterjayem Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 11:05 am
Exclamation Point Defense Association of America - given my propensity to over use and at times incorrectly use ellipses, that may be next on the hit list. I’ll be looking to you to help me form the Ellipsis Defense Association of America.
Comment by DownSouth Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 11:07 am
Can’t help it, when I read the word “cruel”, the first thing that came to mind was that little band from Rockford. Hadn’t heard it in a while, so I’ll give JFK a back-handed compliment for planting the seed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-oYFEXScEU
Comment by Six Degrees of Separation Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 11:08 am
===was that little band from Rockford===
I was thinking about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0l3QWUXVho
Comment by Rich Miller Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 11:10 am
That’s a good ‘un, too. This must be Power Pop Thursday.
Comment by Six Degrees of Separation Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 11:13 am
I seem to have better luck when I post after Rich has gone to bed
Comment by Theshow Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 11:16 am
Dear DownSouth and the fledgling members of the Ellipsis Defense Association of America,
Welcome to the fight brothers and sisters(cruelly censored punctuation mark) Our fight for justice and recognition will go on …
Comment by Exclamation Point Defense Association of America Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 11:30 am
I rarely post here but knowing that it is personally moderated makes me think carefully about how my words might be interpreted as I am basically an anonymous IL resident on here.
Comment by AnonMinooka Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 11:50 am
ArchPundit - I’ve had the same problem, usually with longer comments on legal issues where I have cites to case law, statutes and/or court rules. I was thinking maybe going back and forth to proof read and correct autimiscorrect triggers something so that when I Say It it just goes off into the cosmos. Since I’m a hunt and peck typist I usually just give up. If I really wanted people to hear my thoughts I shouldn’t have retired my law license. But, whether it’s my tablet or Rich’s moderating, it ain’t my blog so you just have to live with it.
Comment by West Side the Best Side Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 12:07 pm
As someone who has had some comments never post (although not from being denied by Rich; I think there is some sneak tech issue, because others post instantly), I applaud when Rich refuses to play with these drive-by, fact-denying, logically-defective posters. I tend to slip into legal and supporting proof quotes/sources, but that is to show where I got something, even if other don’t agree with it. Facts matter, truth matters, and the drive-byers should just keep driving to IPI and Facebook. P.S. Where’s Oscar these days?
Comment by thisjustinagain Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 12:40 pm
I think in some 15 years of posting here, I’ve been deleted maybe 10 times, and actually ended up in agreement with a few of the deletions. As someone who offers opinions that often differs with this blog site and certainly many other commentators, I’ve never felt that I’ve been censored. Stalked by a few here at times, but I find being stalked a badge of honor. Weird, yes. Threatened? No.
Comment by Louis G Atsaves Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 1:06 pm
When people from both sides of the aisle say you’re not tough enough on the other side of the aisle, you’re doing a great job.
Keep it up, Rich.
And this coming from someone who gets a fair amount of my wonderful insights denied entry.
Comment by AlfondoGonz Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 1:08 pm
JFK should find the Capitol Fax Eastern Block website and go on a super spreader tour around the state with Bailey. That may better serve the echo chamber he is seeking.
Comment by 1st Ward Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 1:09 pm
Sometimes I have post disappear, but looking back I usually can figure out why.
Comment by Bruce( no not him) Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 1:22 pm
I don’t think there’s an elected official in Illinois who has not been the subject of both positive and negative comments here.
And it is possible to express those opinions without using “uncivil comments, profanity of any kind, [or] rumors”.
Try it.
Comment by JoanP Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 1:34 pm
===But, whether it’s my tablet or Rich’s moderating,
I think links have something to do with it–not consistently of course, so I can’t narrow it down. I use them more sparingly and it seems to have helped. Again, none of this is on Rich and I tend to think it’s on my end anyway.
Comment by ArchPundit Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 1:43 pm
I believe I’ve had one post that got past the robo-moderators that Rich later took down, and he was right and I was wrong.
– MrJM
Comment by @misterjayem Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 2:25 pm
=== cruelly censored ===
Neither of those words mean what you think they mean.
Comment by Thomas Paine Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 2:52 pm
He was a cruel man . . . but fair.
Comment by 37B Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 7:59 pm
I was in a band named “Cruelly Moderated”. We were a Motley Crue cover band.
Comment by Winderweezle Thursday, Oct 29, 20 @ 8:14 pm