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Pritzker announces expanded testing - Talks about positivity rates - Warns people in QC to be careful about Iowa - Says he’s at home in Chicago - Wife and daughter were in Florida before stay at home order and stayed there - Says wife and daughter are “home now” - Regarding Georgia, it takes weeks to see changes after opening up - Explains why charter boat tours are still banned - Regarding letter from GOP congressmen: “They’re missing the point” - Still waiting to see if antibody tests are accurate - On a path to more testing in every region - Addresses Naperville Park District lawsuit threat - Says family was in Wisconsin at “working farm” - Claims GOP is “putting my children and my family in danger” - Governor’s office clarifies that family is in Chicago now - Discouraging use of ABS rapid tests until FDA guidance issued

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* Gov. Pritzker began his briefing today by talking about testing. From a press release

Expanding COVID-19 testing capabilities in the State of Illinois is a crucial part of the state’s plan to Restore Illinois. With increased testing we can make educated decisions that protect our state, our communities and our families. Today, the State is announcing new drive-thru COVID-19 testing facilities will be available in the coming days on Chicago’s southside (May 16), Champaign (May 19), Rolling Meadows (May 20), while drive-thru and walk-up services will be offered in Peoria (May 23).  These free community services will be open seven days a week to test individuals with COVID-19 symptoms and those employees who support critical services.

“Not everyone with COVID-19 has symptoms. Without greater testing, it is difficult to know who is infected with this virus. This could mean a person who thinks they are healthy may unknowingly pass the virus to someone else, potentially with deadly consequences. I encourage residents in these areas to take advantage of this opportunity to get tested for free and to take action to help prevent further spread of the virus,” said Dr. Ngozi Ezike, Director of Illinois Department of Public Health.

All individuals with symptoms are encouraged to seek testing at these Community Based Testing Sites. Additional accommodations have been made for the following individuals with or without COVID-like symptoms. 

* The governor also talked about positivity rates

Our current seven day average is 12%. The cumulative statewide positivity rate since way back in February is 16.8%.

Looking back, remember that our peak positivity rate was on April 4, when 23.6% of tests back positive on a rolling average. I would urge caution and reading too far into this decline as there is a strong inverse correlation between the number of tests taken per day, and the associated positive rate, meaning that part of the reason for the lower positivity rate can be attributed to our increased testing.

Remember, we surpassed 10,000 tests per day for the first time on April,24, and we’ve stayed above 11,000 every day since then. Over the last seven days we’ve nearly doubled that, with an average of 20,000 tests per day. The good news is that our current statewide positivity rate, under 14% on average for the last 14 days, that’s likely becoming a better indicator of the true infection rate from the general public than it was when testing was probably limited expanding testing.

Please remember to pardon all transcription errors.

* On to questions. The question was about Iowa and his concerns…

We’re not collecting the data about people who are crossing over from Iowa. But there is a lot of data about people who are gathering together in large groups. We know that there is a widespread positivity rate everywhere in the nation. There are COVID positive people that are walking around, and maybe not taking the proper social distancing or precautions. But either way, I am concerned, I am genuinely concerned that with no stay at home order in place in Iowa people who are traveling across the border and in gathering in large groups or going into restaurants or bars or getting in close contact with others will come back to Illinois and spread it. And there is lots of evidence of that sort of spread taking place not necessarily across that border because there isn’t data about that border in particular, but there’s lots of evidence of asymptomatic spread. And that’s the reason remember originally for a stay at home order. We still have a lot of people are walking around untested, who have COVID-19.

That’s why I’ve told you more testing leads to more positive results. Because we know people are out there but haven’t been tested. They are in fact symptomatic carriers. That’s my concern and I would just warn the people of the Quad Cities region, be extraordinarily careful I would suggest that if you’re looking for the opportunity to get together to do the things that you’ve been doing in the past to go into a retail store or something like that. We’re 14 days away according to the data from you being able to do that and we’ve done so well up to now I hope you’ll continue on the same course.

* In light of you saying you’re worried about neighboring states opening too early and people crossing the border into Indiana and Wisconsin and bringing the virus back to Illinois, have you joined your family at your Wisconsin home and if not, how are they ensuring they don’t bring the virus back to you?…

Well, I am as you know isolated at home. So, I have not joined anybody in another state.

I’m safe at home and I’m not a carrier in any way if that’s your question.

I think that’s part of the question but also if they are out of state how will you then ensure they don’t bring the virus back to you?…

So, let me begin by saying that my wife and my daughter were in Florida before the stay at home, shelter in place orders were put in place. And they stayed there when the orders were put in place, they sheltered in place, as was the order and the suggestion.

And they have since returned home and isolated for a period of time. But they’re home now and they’re safe and no one is a carrier.

I shouldn’t say that definitively because the reality is that anytime you walk out the door, even if you’re wearing a mask I mean there is some possibility that people could become infected. So please don’t assume that someone can’t be a carrier that they think is possible, but we’re taking every precaution.

* Georgia which has a population similar to Illinois and a similar COVID-19 spread pattern is reopened basically and not demonstrating the potential transmission you’ve referenced possible in the past here. Can you say you’re reopening policy is working when it appears other states are outperforming Illinois, in terms of a restart and go back and redo anything to, what would it be?…

Well, I think that ignores a whole lot of different facts about Illinois than about Georgia, or another state. First of all, we have a major global city in Chicago, that has international passengers that were passing through coming to and staying in Chicago and even traveling throughout the state of Illinois, that’s you know that’s a, that’s one fact, to take note of. Another is that whatever the circumstances were or are in Georgia, we know what the pattern of the spread has been in Illinois. We know that the R Naughtthe essentially the rate at which it spreads come way down as a result of the stay at home rules that we put in place the order has really brought that R Naught down from 3.6 around 3.6 all the way down to near one. And that’s tremendous I mean that’s, I can’t speak to what other states R Naught sort of go into because I haven’t watched every state or the particular one you mentioned.

And lastly, I would say that when things open up here’s why it’s important that you have a period of time that you are gradually opening, because you are going to get a higher infection rate that’s just sort of a fact of life in a pandemic with no treatment with no nothing to stop the virus are going to get spread. We are testing, as much as anybody could at this point. Like I said, we’re among the top states for testing. So, we’re finding more people are positive here. But that doesn’t mean there are a lot of people that are positive and other state that aren’t being tested.

Lastly, I would just say that it takes weeks between the time that you open things up. That’s why you want this period of time, and a gradual opening it takes weeks and weeks, between the time that you open things up when people start interacting with one another and maybe you see in the cell phone data of people’s interactions and the time that they end up going to the hospital. The time that they end up on a ventilator and the time that unfortunately they may pass. So, these are all things that are perhaps unique from one place to another, other than the fact that the virus knows no boundaries and the virus only knows that it is sort of searching for the next person to infect.

* What do you say to small charter operators that are asking how a couple can fly to Chicago, take a train downtown, hop a bus to a harbor, and then be refused to board a small boat or a private sightseeing tour of Chicago’s lakefront miles offshore? Is this an entirely arbitrary policy and are you considering loosening those rules?…

The policies around air travel are not set by the state of Illinois. They are set by the federal government. So that’s the first thing when you say people are flying. That’s not under our control that is a decision by the federal government.

Secondly, we obviously a lot of work has been done to try to make sure that the trains, whether they’re, we’re talking CTA RTA or others are cleaned, you know are kept in condition, so that there’s a minimizing of any potential spread, not suggesting that one couldn’t contract it possible it’s possible really anywhere. But if people are taking the proper precautions, then it’s okay.

Now you’re saying, why wouldn’t we allow lots of people on a boat or why wouldn’t we open up Navy Pier, or something like that? The reality is that again when we see lots of people getting together in a single place, and one could easily bring a COVID-19 into that environment and spread it, we’ve seen the circumstances you read stories no doubt about someone who was infected infecting 100 other people in a location with a lot of people in a room in a boat and something else. So all I can say is that we’re doing the best that we can with the rules that we have in place. The orders, really are following the science, and I think we’ve done a pretty good job in Illinois, we have a ways to go, and certainly along the way to completely defeating the virus which isn’t under our control entirely, something that I think medical science and the researchers are going to have to ultimately come up with a vaccine for.

* It sounds to me like what you’re saying regarding like a boat or charter operators, and even if they were able to present a plan that they could do reservation only thoroughly clean boats in between tours allow let’s say only two or four people. It doesn’t sound like you’re at a point where you’re saying you’re willing or able to loosen those rules…

Well, again, we have rules in place now around two people in a boat as a limitation. It’s really for the purposes of advancing, people just as a leisure time want to go fishing and want to have somebody with them and you know the theory is that a typical boat might allow distance between two people in a boat that was at least a recommendation that we received around boating. When you talk about reopening a business, again, I want to reopen everything as fast as everybody else does. But I just want to be clear that when you get a group of people, jammed together in a space. There is potential for spread and we’re trying to avoid that. But in phase three and phase four you can read it yourself, there are opportunities for people to get together in an increasing amount.

He was then asked a question about the Abbott Labs rapid tests. Click here for more info.

* Response to the five Republican congressman who have sent you a letter raising concerns that you threatened to withhold federal funding in the state?…

My response is that they understand, I’m sure that the laws of the state need to be followed, that the executive orders of the state need to be followed and we will pursue enforcement actions wherever necessary, where people are flaunting the health and safety, they’re ignoring the rules that would keep people safe in their communities. So I know those five congressmen and I have spoken with them over the course of my term in office. I know they have the best interests of their constituents at heart but in this case I think they’re missing the point.

* Governor in late April you said the state was monitoring study about antibody tests but you were hesitant to recommend any because of the inconsistency in results. Has anything changed since then?…

There is a lot of work that’s been done, I’d like to turn it over to Dr Ezike because she understands these antibody tests better than I do, but I’ll just say that there is a lot of work that’s been done around these antibody tests and to my knowledge anyway there are quite a number of them that are ineffectual or not really the kinds of tests that will be useful for us. We want to be able to parse between those kinds of tests, which ones are effective which ones not but I’ll turn it over to Dr Ezike for a more informed view.

Dr. Ezike: So we are trying to learn as much as we can, along with the rest of the country and the rest of the world to see how these antibody tests can be a part of our reopening of the state. And so we do, we have just convened a group of experts of hospital epidemiologist, immunologist, biologists, academicians from across the state who will be convening to try to gather some of the information that’s around there and give you official guidance. You’ve probably heard reports from the feds that even if, and I think the WHO has said this publicly as well. But even if we do know that people develop antibodies, it’s not clear how long that protection would last, it’s not clear the level of antibodies that would be protective. So there’s a, I think there’s more questions than answers at this point. But we have some people in the state that have been doing a lot of antibody testing and so I’d like to see what we can garner maybe if there is some useful information, maybe it’s not specific as to okay you’re good to go and you’ll be immune for the next 10 years but maybe there’s some helpful information that can be garnered so we have a very esteemed group that’s convening to gather some information and see what our official guidance will be.

* Under your reopening plan to get to phase four testing must be widely available in each region regardless of symptoms or underlying risk factors. How close is the state to getting to reaching that sort of testing capacity that would allow for that?…

More testing is better and so, what’s the definition of adequate testing. The answer is that we want it widely available and so we, in my view, as we open up more testing sites and as we make available more materials for testing, I think we’re in a much better place. So we’re making a lot of progress I feel like we’re on a path to being in that spot as needed for every region of the state.

* What are your thoughts about the Naperville park district’s plans to pursue legal action seeking authority to reopen summer programming and facilities, independent of the timeline and Restore Illinois?…

Again, all I can say is that they should be following the data and the science here and not their guts. I too would like to allow all children my own included to participate in summer sports and group [garbled]. I hope we’ll be able to do that soon enough as we move through the phases of the plan and the Restore Illinois plan but I recommend against it. And of course you know people have every right to go to the courts. Too many people choose that. I think, in this circumstance and and so you know I realized that the the local officials there are going to do whatever it is that they want to do but I wish they would show some leadership.

* New questions about the whereabouts of your family, do you want to address that?…

Let me first say that I’ve been private and reserved when it comes to my children. And it’s because there are threats to my safety and to their safety. And so you’ve seen that there are people that stand outside the Thompson Center and stand outside the Capitol in Springfield, the whole thing I mean hateful signs that reference me personally, and that suggests, if not say, but suggests potential for violence.

And so, I told you earlier that my wife and daughter were down in Florida in early March, and in fact even a little before that, and you know they sheltered in place when the stay at home order came up and they stayed there until very recently.

So, we have a working farm there [Wisconsin]. There are animals on that farm, that is the central function to take care of animals at a farm and so you know that’s what they’re doing and I would hope that the GOP the Republican super PAC that’s pushing stories like this about my family would stop doing it because they are putting my children and my family in danger.

…Adding… The governor’s office clarified that his family is in Chicago, but they have visited the farm in Wisconsin.

* Has Illinois seen any confirmed cases of reinfection among people who have recovered? Are you following reports of reinfection and do you have any concerns about that?…

Dr. Ezike: Yes, I mean I get as much as I’m able to watch the news, I follow what everyone else has seen and I remember there was initially some cases, I believe it was out of Korea where they cited dozens if not hundreds of individuals who supposedly had been reinfected after an earlier infection. And I think I saw a follow up story regarding that saying that in fact, the test had been positive but it wasn’t active infection so it wasn’t a clear case of reinfection So, again, I don’t have the answers in terms of how long immunity lasts and if people can get reinfected. We know that there are diseases for which people do have lifelong immunity. We know that there are diseases that people receive a vaccine and then that immunity wanes. So again, this is a new virus, I think time is going to have to tell us that as we look around the world and see cases and cases of infection that have happened earlier, we’ll follow those down the road to see if in fact people do have real infection later on down the road. I don’t have the answer but we will continue to follow the science which will give us the answer.

* How many Illinois testing sites are relying on ABS rapid tests? And do we have plans to make changes?…

I want to be clear that the state doesn’t own a whole bunch of Abbott machines. The federal government did send us 15 machines, but they didn’t send us any many cartridges to go with itt o use the machines but they sent the machines. And so we have used some of those cartridges that we received. There are places that are using their own cartridges and as I say, we can’t control what they do. What we can do is look at the data as it comes to us as it gets reported to us, and just make sure we’re aware where that data came from. But, of course, I want to repeat that I want to discourage those folks from using it until they know what the FDA guidance will be to make sure that the sensitivity is proper to get the results that I think we all hope and expect to get from the COVID-19 test.

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posted by Rich Miller
Friday, May 15, 20 @ 2:45 pm

Comments

  1. ==have you joined your family at your Wisconsin home==

    Is that reporter crazy? Or from Channel 20? The Governor is still in quarantine after one of his staffers tested negative.

    Comment by Chatham Resident Friday, May 15, 20 @ 2:58 pm

  2. With all the questions about boating you would think half the state owned a boat.

    Really showing people’s elitism with their focus of questions.

    Comment by Nick Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:04 pm

  3. It’s not like Atlanta Airport has the busiest airport in the world or anything.

    Comment by Steve R Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:04 pm

  4. I think the boating question was from a tour operator. A fair business owner question given all the other methods of transportation allowed. He’s probably trying to save his business.

    Comment by SSL Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:09 pm

  5. “Is that reporter crazy?”

    Is that crazy person a reporter?

    – MrJM

    Comment by @misterjayem Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:09 pm

  6. What’s with the recurring boat questions? Today’s was ridiculously speculative. How could a tour operator possibly afford to run two-person tours? And in these days what sub-type of tourist would fly to O’Hare and take the train downtown just to take a boat ride?

    Comment by northsider (the original) Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:16 pm

  7. It was a left handed way to dig into where Pritzker’s wife and children are.

    Hope the questioner got what they wanted.

    Comment by Oswego Willy Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:21 pm

  8. It appears that the Governor favors opening businesses that have a seat on the stock market. The small business person doesn’t have a chance. Walmart, Lowes, Menards Home Depot can be opened but the Flooring stores, boutiques and mens shops can’t. In regards to the Boat Tours, people can ride mass transit, but not a tour boat? In regards to boating, it shows that they did not consult with anyone from the boating industry before creating the 2 people in the boat rule,.

    Comment by Retired and loving it Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:23 pm

  9. Still not one question asking the Governor what his specific response to Peoria’s science-based reopening plan that an epidemiologist wrote and that its major hospital systems endorsed.

    Comment by Downstate Region Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:24 pm

  10. == With all the questions about boating you would think half the state owned a boat.

    Really showing people’s elitism with their focus of questions.==

    And assuming boats are strictly associated with rich or “elites” really shows someones disconnect with many rural parts of the State.

    Comment by fs Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:26 pm

  11. === Still not one question asking the Governor what his specific response to Peoria’s science-based reopening plan that an epidemiologist wrote and that its major hospital systems endorsed.===

    Looks like the Governor is going with his plan.

    According to his plan, May 29th could be a day with more openings

    Comment by Oswego Willy Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:26 pm

  12. The “crazy reporter” is Mary Ann Ahern. The Family was in FL before the shelter in place order. Fair. But as of this week they were at their OTHER equestrian estate in Wisconsin. They didn’t get there straight from FL. I’ll just leave it at that. This isn’t going away. It’s not about his family, it’s about hypocrisy.

    Comment by Central IL Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:27 pm

  13. I can’t believe someone as well traveled as Pritzker just said this comparing Illinois to Georgia, “First of all, we have a major global city in Chicago, that has international passengers that were passing through coming to and staying in Chicago and even traveling throughout the state of Illinois, that’s you know that’s a, that’s one fact, to take note of.” Atlanta is in the top 20 of global cities and has the busiest airport in the world (at least before the pandemic).

    Comment by muon Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:30 pm

  14. I wish the state would allocate some testing resources to a well-designed random sampling program to allow for reliable estimates (with known confidence levels and confidence intervals) of the occurrence in various sub-populations and regions.

    Comment by very old soil Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:33 pm

  15. @Central IL

    Honest question: can you explain what is hypocritical about this? I don’t see it as such, but curious to know where others see the hypocrisy.

    FWIW, I’d love to be quarantining in FL or on a farm. So being jealous about it, I totally get.

    Comment by The Most Anonymous Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:33 pm

  16. OW — It does look like that, although I would like him to support his argument that those with different, science-based reopening plans are “ignoring science.” If asked to specifically respond, I don’t think he can maintain that position in good faith.

    Comment by Downstate Region Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:34 pm

  17. =Still not one question asking the Governor what his specific response to Peoria’s science-based reopening plan that an epidemiologist wrote and that its major hospital systems endorsed.=

    The governor is obviously focused on what’s best for the state as a whole and is relying on the advice of the IDPH and the epidemiologists that he’s consulted with since the onset of this disease.

    Is it possible to find an epidemiologist and task them with creating a plan that would create the rationale for opening up an area? Of course. Just like you could find a judge to say that an EO is unconstitutional if it deprives me of the opportunity to fish. Doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s right.

    Comment by Pundent Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:34 pm

  18. @The Most Anonymous

    What if I told you the Governors own FAQ lists travel to and from vacation homes as “Non-essential” and prohibited?

    Also, he has warned people ad nauseum about going over the border to more opened up states. Well, his family just came from Wisconsin this week if they are “home” in Chicago as he says…

    Comment by Central IL Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:37 pm

  19. Pundent — I’m not going to question the motive’s of Peoria’s epidemiologist any more than I question the state’s — I assume all are acting in good faith.

    But it is true that different epidemiologist might come up with different opinions. It would be fairer for the Governor to acknowledge that point than to say Peoria is completely ignoring science because it offers a different plan.

    Comment by Downstate Region Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:40 pm

  20. ===I would like him to support his argument that those with different, science-based reopening plans are “ignoring science.” If asked to specifically respond, I don’t think he can maintain that position in good faith.===

    Understood.

    There’s seemingly so many who think, believe, attest, that their plan is best, or better, or anything…

    … at some point just working your (Governor working his) plan is a better use of time then digging deeper in some, ignoring others.

    Not saying you’re not wrong, nope. I understand the ask.

    I dunno what difference that will be.

    Comment by Oswego Willy Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:40 pm

  21. @Central IL
    ===What if I told you the Governors own FAQ lists travel to and from vacation homes as “Non-essential” and prohibited?===

    I believe he made it clear this Wisconsin home was a working farm. Farms are deemed essential businesses. Now, I don’t have any problem if someone wants to make the case that it is highly unlikely that someone with the last name Pritzker is shoveling manure out of the barn. I could be way off.

    Comment by Nagidam Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:43 pm

  22. ===Farms are deemed essential businesses. Now, I don’t have any problem if someone wants to make the case that it is highly unlikely that someone with the last name Pritzker is shoveling manure out of the barn.===

    That may be true, but it would be irresponsible for any farm owner to assume the manure is, in fact, being shoveled out of the barn. Sometimes you have to see for yourself if your employees are doing it right.

    Comment by 47th Ward Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:46 pm

  23. Thanks, OW. Your response is likely the governor’s thinking and would in itself be a reasonable response if asked why he doesn’t consider other plans. But it is still frustrating that he not come out and respond in that fashion and instead rely on the “ignoring science” argument. At least as to Peoria. Can’t speak for other area’s plans.

    Comment by Downstate Region Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:48 pm

  24. = I assume all are acting in good faith.=

    I would too. Ideally we’d have one plan at the federal level that would allow for some reasonable modifications but that would be it. I don’t like the fact that Chicago has it’s own plan but it is what it is. If nothing else multiple plans just adds to the confusion and allows for critics to claim that goal posts are being moved.

    I would hope that once we get to the 29th this largely becomes moot. While we won’t be anywhere close to normal it seems that reaching that milestone will alleviate some of the restrictions that are currently in place. Frankly I’m more concerned about the Eastern Bloc and others who don’t seem to have tolerance for any set of rules.

    Comment by Pundent Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:49 pm

  25. ===That may be true, but it would be irresponsible for any farm owner to assume the manure is, in fact, being shoveled out of the barn. Sometimes you have to see for yourself if your employees are doing it right.===

    They probably have chickens too. I suppose it is well advised to make sure the chickens are not slacking on the laying of eggs. They got to be careful or those chickens may unionize.

    Comment by Nagidam Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:50 pm

  26. Lakeshore boats and charter flights? Great to see the media focused on the things that matter to the majority of people who live in the state.

    Comment by Token Conservative Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:53 pm

  27. ==The “crazy reporter” is Mary Ann Ahern. The Family was in FL before the shelter in place order. Fair. But as of this week they were at their OTHER equestrian estate in Wisconsin. They didn’t get there straight from FL. I’ll just leave it at that. This isn’t going away. It’s not about his family, it’s about hypocrisy.==

    If they aren’t receiving 24/7 State Police protection, I don’t give a darn where they are.

    Comment by Token Conservative Friday, May 15, 20 @ 3:57 pm

  28. “Still not one question asking the Governor what his specific response to Peoria’s political plan that an epidemiologist wrote which had the primary goal of reopening the tricounty economy, and the public’s health and safety as an afterthought.”

    Fixed it for ya.

    Comment by Huh? Friday, May 15, 20 @ 4:00 pm

  29. “people can ride mass transit, but not a tour boat”

    One is an essential service, the other is a luxury. I’ll let you decide which is the essential service.

    Comment by Huh? Friday, May 15, 20 @ 4:01 pm

  30. @Token Conservative

    So I assume you don’t care about everyone else breaking the rules then?

    Comment by Central IL Friday, May 15, 20 @ 4:14 pm

  31. At this point… in a global pandemic… if you’re more concerned about making political points where the first family of Illinois is…

    Comment by Oswego Willy Friday, May 15, 20 @ 4:17 pm

  32. @OW

    LOL…if this were Rauner flaunting the rules, you wouldn’t be saying that. You know it, I know, we all know it.

    Comment by Central IL Friday, May 15, 20 @ 4:21 pm

  33. Huh? Here’s the problem: for weeks people have been saying, “I believe the science.” But now, someone comes with different numbers about the science, and the same people deny those numbers.

    You can’t have it both ways. If such numbers are from professionals you can’t say these numbers are correct science, but those aren’t.

    It’s not a black/white issue at all. There are 300 million shades of gray in the middle. People really need to see the other side’s point of view without name calling and other such nonsense.

    This article does a great job of presenting both sides. Decisions need to be made, but no one–no one–is 100% right or 100% wrong.
    https://www.facebook.com/780691196/posts/10158378992896197/?d=n

    Comment by ajjacksson Friday, May 15, 20 @ 4:28 pm

  34. “Rauner flaunting the rules”

    What do you think ruiner did for 4 years?

    Comment by Huh? Friday, May 15, 20 @ 4:29 pm

  35. Flouting* whoops

    Comment by Central IL Friday, May 15, 20 @ 4:31 pm

  36. === if this were Rauner flaunting the rules, you wouldn’t be saying that. You know it, I know, we all know it.===

    In a global pandemic, you’re worried about where the first family is…

    I can care less what they’d be doing.

    I do care what is being done for unemployment, nursing homes, testing, hospitals, first responders and essential workers.

    You know how I know that about me?

    Easy.

    I’m not losing sleep, or having zoom calls, or emailing or calling anyone right now concerned where the first family is.

    Not once. In 10 weeks. Not one time.

    It’s one thing to be “concerned” about where they are, it’s another to be as “concerned” how others would react.

    Over 80,000 people have died. With 1.4 million testing positive…

    That’s my worry.

    Comment by Oswego Willy Friday, May 15, 20 @ 4:42 pm

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